Gentle goons,

This thread will be the place that you can bring your questions and concerns to the CSM. I will take all of your suggestions to elise or seleene, so feel free to hit me up here with your questions.

although it doesn't matter much in the case of jade; he moonlights as the madame of a space brothel and is pretty much off the creepiness scale

In fact,there is only accusations of you being terrible leader of csm(which is true because person with your personality traits should not be allowed to lead even ant farm)and link to your disgusting eve-cyber-sex roleplaying something....

Yes and jokes about how you look,thats terrible and it makes people who laugh at you straight stalkers,or atleast your imagination works like this.But to be honest,if you mean it seriously, it says nothing about goons,while it says a lot of about you...

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the Goonwiki is not open to the public? They can do what they like.

I deplore all RL actions* and mock you for RPing a prostitute, it's not like getting harrassed grants you some kind of weirdness immunity* to pick up on this, RL harrassment from eve is really messed up. If it makes you feel any better it's pretty widespread and frequently aimed at goons/allies (my favourite one was when someone called up kug's Malasian web security firm and made a complaint about him... to his wife)

there's nothing wrong with goons happening to host a picture of you (which must have been public at some point

...and captioning it with petty insults about it on our private wiki; if someone has stolen that wiki and publically hosted it elsewhere then the bad is on them, not us

And moreso,If Jade is so terrified by his RL harrasment(which we proved imaginary at best and outright lies at worst and most possible scenario)why he helps/endorse with RL harrasment of prominent members of CFC?

And Jade,your csm did nothing useful at all,even other members of it admits it,and its your fault and if you were atleast bit honest you will admit it..

Jade, when you post... are you roleplaying? I can't see how anyone can hold such a strong internet grudge against goons and post so much about us while remaining otherwise fairly lucid. The only other explanation that occurs to me is that the harrassment and trolling aimed at you these past years has actually penetrated your usually thick skin and got you mad - how else could you make sweeping statements about a community of over a hundred and fifty thousand members without seeing the idiocy of it?

Just curious!

i'm not threatened in the slightest you big baby, i just don't care to reply to another jade constantine "goons are bad" post and would like to examine the reasons underneath your unhealthy obsession :)

jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply!

Hroya the advantage i have here is that i can post anything i want about jade constantine and he can't help himself but to reply, while ignoring whatever posts i please (walls of text about bees fall firmly into this category)

lmao literally everything in this post is wrong

i do agree that goons are pretty ugly too though!

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1004861&page=2#49

hurr

(skip down to post #49 since the anchor link doesn't work, :ccp:)

Um, isn't that libel?

Jade and can you pls tell us what your csm 1 really achieved expect getting elected and getting free trip to the Iceland?

I don't think any goon has called that label Libel. We've mostly be fapping on the fact that's its an incorrect label. DrunkenAsshole is far more accurate in Mitten's case. Many of the "gaming media" have written retractions to that effect even, including the blog post that is often cited as having started all those shenanigans.

It's almost like nobody cares. Drop the persecution complex.

As someone who flew Jade when he was still "perma"-banned from the Eve-O forums (oh, happy days) only to later find my way into Goonfleet/waffe, I thought it would be nice to say a couple of true things.

First and most disappointing, La Maison (et etera) was not an e-brothel. It was just a sad little chat room where a bunch of lonely nerds pretended to be all-powerful gods of space. Sexes chats occurred frequently and with vigor. The rest of the time, everyone seemed to be engaged in a no-holds-barred contest to decide once and for all who was the most pretentious ass online.

I once picked up a character from a guy who quit Eve and spent the next six months telling undersexed hausfraus who met Wren in La Maison that, no, sorry, he sold his character and no, I was not aware that your characters were 'involved' and NO, I do not wish to continue the relationship. La Maison wasn't quite as overtly sexual as a brothel, but it sure was weird.

Second, Jade is seriously a crazy person, just not in the, "he put GHB in the orange juice at his local playground" way, though. He's crazy in the "not joking around when he starts talking about his character's in-game ideology". I've known a lot of people who engaged in roleplay in my life; from people sitting around a table roleplaying elves and dwarves (a vice I continue to indulge in to this day) to people pretending to be nonconsenually PVP'd by a burglar that is actually their significant other. I'm sure as hell not one to judge. Still, sane people who roleplay all know that they are not their characters. Their characters are a part of a story and what they do and what happens to them only matter in the context of the story. Jade is one of those poor guys who's spent too long playing the same character (and he passed that point of no return long before I met him) to know the difference between "me" and "my character".

I'm not saying that he thinks he's an immortal starship captain living tens of thousands of years in the future. He's just pathologically incapable of separating his in-and-out-of-game personas. His "in game" ideology? The whole "Freecaptain" thing? That's not just an in-character thing that he does to have fun. He believes that craptle. He doesn't just think people should play the game the way he does. He's obsessed with "regressive memes" and "imperialist enclosurism". He doesn't care if the people in his alliance are having fun and he sure as hell doesn't care if they're competent. Or at least that's how he was a while back. Maybe he has a whole new dogma now. If so, I'm confident that he is just as willing to hold to it no matter what, even if it's no damned fun and makes something like half of the people in his alliance leave (which happened twice in the time I knew him, both times because the way Jade insists everyone in The Star Fraction play Eve is just not fun.)

Anyway, that's the Jade Constantine I know/knew. He's basically just some sad English twit who edits copy who got in on the ground floor with Eve, got himself a taste of relevance and promptly went crackers.

Try not to kill yourself over it.

What? Where did this even come from?

They really did that?

Clearly it must have been a goon

Your old friend CCP Sreegs had similar issues at his previous job, I guess we should assume it must have been a Star Fraction member that tried to get him fired?

Its a bit pathetic that all we've seen in this thread is childish alts of goons (who presumably got banned for badposting long before). Any time they are faced with an actual argument they run for the hills and roll on their bellies and call in the alt-tastic unfunny smear brigade.

But the fact remains, Eve online as a game needs to move beyond this rubbish really. If we're to keep the no-holds-barred brutal in-game reality we've grown fond of then certain kinds of out of game RL personal attack rubbish needs to be ruled beyond the pale.

I don't mind goons in space suicide ganking people.
I don't mind goons trying to scam the credulous.
I don't mind goons blobbing and bubbling and generally making themselves unpleasant in 0.0.

Thats all gameplay end of the day.

My issue is with those goons who have such a tenuous grasp on reality that they believe making out of game attacks on the RL identity and livelihood of in-game enemies is part of Eve's grand tradition of "meta-game".

These guys are the most pitiable creatures on the internet really: the mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerds in the spotlight.

And anyone who wants to see Eve online remain a full on pvp game (rather than getting over-sanitized in knee-jerk response to the frankly insane antics of a few dozen internet madmen) should join in condemning this behaviour without reservation.

The real question of all this is "who is griefing who" when RL attacks and OOC harrassment become the norm of Eve metagame. One might think its an easy question to answer with "well its the victim isn't it?" But the reality is more complex.

The consequence of Gianturco's behaviour at fanfest this year will likely be that nobody gets to drink in public at future events and talk about Eve in a relaxed manner of comradely intoxication.

The consequence of Goonswarm Cyberbullying and ooc harrassment will likely be that somebody ends up dead and Eve will pay the penalty of being flayed in the press.

The consequence of SA culture dominatiing Eve culture is that this game community is seen as a poisonous snake-pit by the gaming media and other MMO players and rather than respecting the "core game" harshness and admirable difficulty level of Eve, they end up despising the petty-minded vindictive bully-culture laden with sexism, homophobia and racist frat-boy antics that would make most student campus societies call for expulsion.

Goons once were rumoured to have come to Eve to "destroy the game".
They refined the message to we're here to "destroy your game."

Ironic that the latest target group for destruction is the hard core gamers who want to play a full-tilt full death penalty open world MMO without crossing the line into Cyber-bullying, Internet Harrassment and outright out of game criminality.

Food for thought.

Or are you planning to usurp my ability to post because i dont fullfill your reqiurements of purity of race/worthy RPing name?

So now you are accusing me of being cyberbully?

Yes/not or stfu pls...

So okay,

you are accusing me of being cyberbully just because you checked my posting history,and while doing so you forgot to check my employment history and i started posting here after Mr. Mittens ban simply because i joined cfc where posting on forums is endorsed after mittens ban and in my before corp and alliance posting here was looking down and "not supported"

Also you are not claiming that only I am cyberbully,but that all the GS and CFC are cyberbullies?8k persons are cyberbullies simply that some of them are on forums you despise?

And if you try to answer my questions (if you try it for first time...) can you tell me if you really think that your thoughts are rational or you can admit that you are driven by irrational hate?

Rofl.
There is no prove this is your main.
The fact you want to discuss things that happened way way before you joined the game in a manner asif you have any clue as what it's about alone indicates the opposite.

Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?

Well,your "substantive reply" is in fact nothing else than proof of your mental unstability,shows that you are either not able to work with infomational sources or that you are willingly bending tem,shows that you are bearin irrational haterd towards all members of some internet communities and you in fact bears atleast ambivalent feelings towards eve online

If someone is acting like cyberbully,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting/endorsing constant harrasment and belittening of its members).

If someone has RL problems,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who obviously totally lacks the social intelligence and have too big ego to admit that he isnt the biggest enemy of anything)

If someone is obviously lying,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is trying to ignore all the work of csm7/6 or whatever even distantly joined with anyone from CFC while promoting your zero direct results and influence)

If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game)

If someone is really disgusting towards new players,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting RP and space brothels)

ridiculously-named: yes, alt: no. This guy flew with us for quite a while. Who's making the ad hominem argument then?

He explained that he doesnt like goons because publishing of publicly aviable pictures of him with mocking commentary of his looks before.

Goons are sending nothing to noone because internet spaceships,

but youcan ask Darious Johnson how does it feel when some pubbie decide that its good time to do it.Or maybe you can ask Mittens how it is when another pubbie decide that your wife should be raped and your dog killed.

Or just maybe you can ask Jade why is this okay with him while he is so terrified by the fact that someone mocked him....

Jade Constantine's posts are so bad, USPS would send them all to the dead letter office.

let's all have a little think about what jade's space rep would be like if there were space dislikes

Most people don't have to be instructed to dislike someone. Even Goons.

... because I know you, but a little.

I thought I already refuted this.

Explain to me where to SoTG is dictatorial?